Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater Reignites A 20-Year Debate Over Ocelot
On April 4, 2010, GameFAQs user nwabu2 posted a thread to the Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots boards titled, “Why Does Ocelot Kiss Snake?”
The kiss in question takes place at the game’s climax, with Solid Snake and Liquid Ocelot shirtless atop an aircraft carrier. They fight their last battle standing up, fists raised, eyes locked. But in the heat of battle, Ocelot slips by Snake and slides up alongside him. He grasps the man’s cheek in one hand, then gives his old rival a simple, affectionate smooch; Snake blushes and growls in frustration.
Responses in the GameFAQs thread range from joking to serious explanations that skirt around the possibility of Ocelot being gay. Even users open to queerness as an explanation can’t resist making a joke about it. But a popular theory rises above the rabble: the idea that this moment in the 2008 title is an insult.
“It’s considered a huge insult to do something like that before you kill a man. It’s not gay, it’s basically a kick in the nuts. It’s insulting someone’s masculinity. It’s like saying, ‘your [sic] not even a man, you’re pathetic’,” reads one comment.
This idea is echoed by a few other comments. That includes the now-infamous 31st comment from caffiend7: “It’s a Russian tuant [sic].”
But forum debates about Revolver Ocelot’s queerness go back much further than this—five years, to be exact. The 2004 release of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater prompted fevered online discussion about Ocelot’s queerness, at a time when vocal homophobia was more permissive in gaming spaces.
MGSForums.com user Dublo7 poked this hornet’s nest on March 20 of that year with his thread, “Ocelot is gay right?”
“Ocelot is not gay,” insists one comment. “If he was, we would have known by now. He respects Snake and that’s about it. He never showed any signs of homosexuality. I would be really pissed off if he was a homo. I couldn’t bare [sic] the fact that one of the most awesome video game characters is gay.”
“If anyone ever says that Ocelot is gay again,” vows another, “I will track them down and murder them in a painful way…”
Suffice it to say, 20 years ago, it was more difficult to have these conversations. Today… well, it’s still difficult, in many respects. But it’s easier to find places to have them, whether that be social media or Discord.
Yet interest in Ocelot’s sexuality has seemed to die down, if the recent release of Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater has shown anything. Popular discourse on the remake tended to center on the visual and mechanical aspects of the game. Many opined about the necessity of the enterprise altogether. Very little time, at large, was spent re-analyzing the game’s narrative with a contemporary lens. Because the remake hews so close to the original, it feels like the plot’s thematic elements have been hand-waved altogether with Delta.
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